{"id":1942,"date":"2007-09-12T10:32:56","date_gmt":"2007-09-12T09:32:56","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.ethicalquote.com\/index.php\/2007\/09\/12\/ibm-dig-deeper\/"},"modified":"2007-09-12T10:44:44","modified_gmt":"2007-09-12T09:44:44","slug":"ibm-dig-deeper","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.covalence.ch\/index.php\/2007\/09\/12\/ibm-dig-deeper\/","title":{"rendered":"IBM? Dig deeper"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ethicalquote.com\/newTemplate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/09\/070912_ibm.jpg\" title=\"070912_ibm.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.ethicalquote.com\/newTemplate\/wp-content\/uploads\/2007\/09\/070912_ibm.jpg\" title=\"070912_ibm.jpg\" alt=\"070912_ibm.jpg\" align=\"right\" \/><\/a><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">Hi, I&#8217;m an employee of HP, and I can understand why they did well in your survey.  They&#8217;re a fine company and treats customers &amp; employees with respect. But I used to work for <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> and for the life of me I can&#8217;t understand why they even made your list.  I knew managers there who needed to be jailed, forget about fired.  <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> works hard to keep a clean image &#8211; dig deeper and you&#8217;ll see what they&#8217;re really like. <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> likes to do things which are morally wrong but (barely) legal when it saves them money.  That&#8217;s their business, but you shouldn&#8217;t be labelling them &#8220;ethical&#8221;.  Examples: *) They skipped paying $1.6 BILLION in taxes when they discovered a loophole in the taxcode.  Right after they did this the <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IRS<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> jumped to close it.  Who makes up for the lost tax revenue?  You and me.  Don&#8217;t take my word for it, read <a href=\"http:\/\/www.tax-loophole.com\/business-tax-loopholes\/ibm-saves-16-billion-with-tax-loophole\/\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a>. *) To promote their image, they have SCCAP (Special Care for Children Assistance Plan) to help kids problems.  Sounds good, right?  It does to the 99% of employees that don&#8217;t apply.  I was in the 1% that did apply, and never got a cent after filling out paperwork and asking 5 doctors to do the same.  My favorite response was when I asked them to help pay for my son&#8217;s AFO leg brace, the response was &#8220;no because he had a stroke&#8221;.  That&#8217;s right, a stroke is a medical problem so SCCAP couldn&#8217;t help pay for his leg brace. *) I had a co-worker laid off after 10 years at the same job.  <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> paid her 4 weeks severance, much below the industry norm, because they could.  <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> bought the company after 8 of those years so they reset her seniority.  They&#8217;ve played similar games with pension plans, check with employees.*) Have you heard of <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">&#8216;s clean-desk policy?  <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> secures the buildings with locked doors and security guards, but employees must not leave documents on their desks overnight.  Why?  Because even <\/span><st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\">IBM<\/span><\/st1:stockticker><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> knows they hire some thieves but it&#8217;s cheaper to lock down documents than find the employees that are crooks.As I said, all of this is legal.  Just not ethical. Image source: images.businessweek.com<br \/>\n<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"FR\"><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-GB\">Message received by Covalence <span class=\"linkbluetransmedium\">| Country: USA | Company:<\/span><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\"><\/span><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\"> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.ethicalquote.com\/newTemplate\/index.php\/ethicalquote\/?value=9\">IBM<\/a>, <\/span><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ethicalquote.com\/newTemplate\/index.php\/ethicalquote\/?value=9\">Hewlett-Packard<\/a><span style=\"font-size: 9pt; font-family: Arial\" lang=\"EN-US\"> <span lang=\"EN-GB\"><span class=\"linkbluetransmedium\">| <span> <\/span><\/span>Source: <\/span>The author wishes to remain anonymous; his identity is known by Covalence editorial team.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Hi, I&#8217;m an employee of HP, and I can understand why they did well in your survey. 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